Scene_Cast2 a day ago

If anyone is curious about applications - these can be used to approximate low-frequency components of a point's surroundings. They were used in Halo 3 to do real-time HDRI lighting and shadowing (see "Lighting and Material of Halo 3" from Siggraph 2008).

After the success of this method, there was a fairly long stretch of researchers looking for a better orthonormal basis (such as 2D Haar wavelents, as spherical harmonics is basically a Fourier Transform on a spherical basis). I think the pinnacle of this direction was Anisotropic Spherical Gaussians from 2013.

These days though, you'd at least use a neural net to learn a basis (or use a neural net to learn something else entirely). And of course, Gaussian Splats are the technique du jour for realtime relighting.

  • ziotom78 17 hours ago

    They are used also to characterize the statistical properties of fields over the sphere. A notable example is the pattern of hot/cold spots in the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR, [1]). They are distributed stochastically, and the best way to fit cosmological models against the measurements is to decompose the temperature/polarization fields into spherical harmonics and compute the power spectrum associated with each ℓ (which plays the role of a “spatial frequency” over the sky sphere).

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

  • xeonmc 21 hours ago

    I wonder if Cartesian-basis multipole expansion could get the best of both worlds of GS and SH, as the former basis captures anisotropy but not detail while the latter captures detail but not anisotropy, whereas Cartesian multipole expansion naturally captures both right from the low orders, and is much easier to align to game worlds.

    (to be precise, both can be captured by either if you include enough orders, what I mean is mainly how the information distribution scales with respect to each attribute)

    Also, the age-old physics question: what is the minimum order of spherical harmonics required to approximate a cow?

  • dustingetz 16 hours ago

    in QM the spherical harmonics are more of a basis space for electronic state and not the actual electronic state, right? So does that mean there are other ways to think about electron configurations that satisfy Shrodinger etc?

    • rsfern an hour ago

      Yes - for example when modeling solid materials it’s common to use a plane wave basis set for the electronic wave function instead of atomic orbitals

JeremyHerrman a day ago

For those of you curious about WHY these shapes look like the do (e.g. "why does l=0, m=0 have a donut in the middle of two lobes?"), this video from Münster University finally gave me an intuitive understanding of how these shapes arise.

https://youtu.be/Opufc3onVow

  • JeremyHerrman 10 hours ago

    typo here, l=2,m=0 is the orbital with the donut

vecter a day ago

Are these related to (or exactly) the distribution of electron orbits?

  • aeve890 a day ago

    Yes. These are solutions of the Schrodinger equation for the electron in the hydrogen atom.

    • drdeca a day ago

      Aren’t the spherical harmonics functions with domain S^2, the sphere? I think the solutions to the (time-independent) Schrödinger equation for an electron in a hydrogen atom are given by like, a product of a function of distance from the center with one of the spherical harmonics, or something like that?

      • momoschili a day ago

        you are correct. The Schrödinger equation for the hydrogen atoms in spherical coordinates demonstrates separability which allows you to separate the radial and angular coordinates. The radial term, which is most interesting due to the 1/r potential is typically a Laguerre polynomial. The angular term is 'free' from any potential is typically a spherical harmonic.

        The spherical harmonics in general are typically derived as part of the solution to the Laplace equation in spherical coordinates. A bit of a semantic point (though perhaps the distinction is important) though, since the Laplace equation's angular dependence is identical to that of the Schrödinger equation for the hydrogen atom.

  • momoschili a day ago

    not quite as they are missing the radial dependence

ghostpepper a day ago

Anyone know a good explanation of what spherical harmonics are?

  • jms55 a day ago

    Very very high level explanation that I'm trying to paraphrase from memory, so there's a good chance parts of it are wrong or use the wrong terminology:

    A polynomial is a function like `f(x) = Ax^3 + Bx^2 + Cx^1 + Dx^0`

    You can approximate most(all?) continuous functions using polynomials. The more "parts" (e.g. Bx^2 is one part) of the polynomial you have, the better you can represent a given function.

    The previous example was a 1d function, but polynomials can be over any number of dimensions. E.g. a 3d polynomial `f(x, y, z)`.

    Spherical harmonics are just a form of 3d polynomials, but with some special "parts" (called a basis function), with the amount of parts you have called a "band".

    As for what they're good for, they're a fairly compact way of representing and filtering 3d signals.

    In 3d rendering, they're really good at storing light hitting a point from different directions. You have an incoming ray of light on a unit sphere/hemisphere with origin x, y, z going towards the given point. You can then take your list of light rays with various (x,y,z) origins and (r,g,b) intensities, and then form a spherical harmonics approximation over it (basically a fitted 3d polynomial), which can be stored as just a few coefficients (A, B, C, D, etc...) using 1 or 2 bands, and cheaply computed (querying the light value r,g,b for a given ray) by plugging in the ray's x, y, z into the formula.

    Besides being cheap to store and query, because you're only using 1-2 bands, you only capture the "low frequency" of the lighting signal, e.g. large changes in the light value get dropped, since it's just an approximation of the original signal. While this is normally bad, for 3d rendering, it's free denoising, giving you a smoother output image!

  • defrost a day ago

    Coming at them from practical applications is one approach.

    I've used spherical harmonics to model earth centric "surfaces" and fields - magnetics and gravity, etc.

    You might think of them as a stacked sine and cosine waves (like a fourier transform breaking a continuous function into sin and cosine components) on a directional vector radiating outwards from the centre point of sphere.

    https://geomag.bgs.ac.uk/research/modelling/IGRF.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Geomagnetic_Refe...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Magnetic_Model

  • lizmutton a day ago

    I think of it as a good basis for functions on a perfectly spherical surface. Going down in levels of "l", you describe more and more details in terms of angular scale.

    Thus, it's widely used in earth science and astrophysics, and anything that involves spherical symmetry (like a Hydrogen atom) -- in reality, nothing is a perfect sphere, but that's a very good approximation.

  • xkcd-sucks a day ago

    You know if you take a metal plate bolted down at it's center, throw some salt on it and bow the edge with a violin bow. It makes stable patterns depending on the frequency of the tone playing

    Now take this plate and turn it into a 3d sphere and that's spherical harmonica more or less. Electronsike to form them

  • ajkjk a day ago

    Just for fun...

    They are relatively easy to understand if you already understand Fourier transforms.

    In a Fourier transform you can write some (suitably well-behaved) function f(x) as a sum of a bunch of sinusoids of different frequencies:

    f(x) = a_0 + a_1 cos(x) + a_2 cos(2x) + ... + b_1 sin(x) + b_2 sin(2x) + ...

    Or more generally a sum over all real values, f(x) = ∫ a(k) cos(kx) + b(k) sin(kx) dk, since signals can have fractional frequencies.

    And in many cases the two sides are the same. Many operations in math and in ph operate on functions in such a way that they can distribute over their behavior on different frequencies, which is why Fourier transforms are really useful. For instance we hear different frequencies in different ways so if you Fourier-transform an audio waveform you can turn some frequencies up and others down (or drop them entirely, which is more-or-less what mp3 compression is).

    This also works in 2d or 3d, where now you have frequencies in all three directions:

    f(x,y,z) = f(0) + a_(100) cos(x) + a_(110) cos(x) cos(y) + a_(111) cos(x) cos(y) cos(z) + (all the sine terms and negative frequencies and everything else)

    and this is useful in all kinds of ways also, e.g. taking Fourier transforms of a 2d image and then dropping the high frequency components that are hard to see is basically what JPEG compression is. As before it helps a lot that you can interact with the different frequency components separately.

    But. Sometimes what you want is not the frequency in linear space (e.g. the frequency in x or y) but the frequency in angular coordinates: to ask "how many times does this variable change as you go around a circle in the (xy) plane?" Which is to say, you want to know the Fourier component in term like cos(ϕ), cos(2ϕ), sin(ϕ), etc. That looks like

    f(x,y) = a_1 cos(ϕ) + a_2 cos(2ϕ) + b_1 sin(ϕ) + ...

    Which is what we would call a "circular harmonic" (with ϕ=ϕ(x,y)=arctan(y/x)), each coefficient a_i is a function of (r). Unlike the linear Fourier transform, there can be no "fractional" frequencies---since ϕ=0 and ϕ=2pi are the same point, all the circular frequencies have to be integers.

    When you try to do this in 3d using two angular coordinates ϕ and θ, it gets a lot funkier. Now you can't really write it as a simple series of the two frequencies separately; they kinda "step on each other", because a rotation in (xy) can be written as a sum of rotations in (yz) and (zx).

    But you can do it in terms of a different, slightly stranger series. One variable L=0,1,2,3... will describe the "total" frequency on any plane, and another variable m=-L,-L+1,...0,...L-1,L describes how many rotations happen in your favorite choice of (xy) plane. m is allowed to range from -L to L because we have already said that L is the total frequency on any axis, so we just have to say whether they're happening in our chosen axis or not. So the series becomes

    f(x,y,z) = a_(0, 0) + a_(1,-1) Y_(1,-1) + a_(1,0) Y_(1,0) + a_(1,1) Y_(1,1) + a_(2,-2) Y_(2,-2) + ... = ∑ a_(L,m) Y_(L,m) (θ,ϕ)

    The functions Y_(L,m) (θ,ϕ) are the "spherical harmonics". They serve the role of sin(ωx) and cos(ωx) when you Fourier-expand a function in terms of spherical coordinates ϕ and θ.

    There are lots of reasons that that's useful, but the case that is most well-known is that the state of an electron wave function in an atom can be indexed in terms of which spherical harmonic it's in, and only two electrons are allowed to be in each one (one spin up and one spin down, for much-more-bizarre reasons). So the spherical harmonic functions are also the shape of the various electron orbitals that you see in a chemistry textbook.

    • setopt 11 hours ago

      Excellent explanation.

      > So the spherical harmonic functions are also the shape of the various electron orbitals that you see in a chemistry textbook.

      Minor nitpick: Chemistry textbooks usually use the “cubic harmonics” instead of the “spherical harmonics”. They are real-valued linear combinations of the standard spherical harmonics, with the additional benefit that the basis set respects the Cartesian symmetries.

      For example, the “p_z orbital” is a l=1 spherical harmonic and a cubic harmonic. But the cubic harmonics then add p_x and p_y orbitals as basis functions, whereas the spherical harmonics choose the chiral "p_x ± ip_y orbitals” as its basis instead.

      • ajkjk 10 hours ago

        Oh thanks, I didn't know that (I studied physics and only know the chemistry part superficially). But I did know, and wondered about, the fact that the spherical harmonics have an e^imϕ factor yet there's nothing about the explanation that involves complex numbers per se (besides that writing out sine/cosine series is way more tedious than exponentials). Makes sense that they just get factored.

    • aeonik a day ago

      Thank you, this made it click for me.

  • raffihotter a day ago

    I added an explanation to the page! Hope it's helpful.

  • xeonmc a day ago

    a vibrating string make sine waves, a vibrating bubble make spherical harmonics.

    • Applejinx 18 hours ago

      Love it, that's a fantastic image for these. As a musician intimately aware of how vibrating strings work, the vibrating bubble is a perfect analogy, it seems.

  • bjornsing a day ago

    Spherical harmonics are essentially orthogonal basis functions on the sphere. They are popular in 3D graphics because you can very quickly compute the sphere integral over the product of two functions, as the dot product of their basis function coefficients(!). This can be used for real-time complex lighting on relatively modest hardware.

  • quantum_state a day ago

    They are just eigen states of the angular momentum operator.

    • setopt 11 hours ago

      That’s a very quantum physics-centric explanation though (username checks out…).

      A more general definition is that they are eigenfunctions of the Laplacian operator on a sphere, which arise in many contexts.

      • jasomill 5 hours ago

        More generally, see also the Laplace-Beltrami and Laplace-de Rham operators, both defined on (pseudo-)Riemannian manifolds not necessarily embedded in ℝ³.

        Even more generally, see the huge body of beautiful mathematics that has arisen from the study of elliptic differential operators in general (de Rham cohomology, Hodge theory, the Atiyah-Singer index theorem, …).

  • NotYourLawyer a day ago

    Solutions to a certain differential equation that comes up in quantum mechanics and elsewhere.

gus_massa 3 days ago

They look too big. I expected all the l=1 to be like a cone near (0,0,0). And I expected one of them to be vertical instead of horizontal.

  • esperent a day ago

    I'm not sure about the size but I think the shapes are correct. It's just very hard to examine them when they're rotating at such high speed.

    Compare them to the image on this page:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_harmonics

    Suggestion to OP: this would be much more useful if you add a button to stop the rotation.

    • gus_massa an hour ago

      Now it looks better close to the 0. Did the OP change the implementation?

      ALso, I noticed that there is a real/imaginary/complex menu. I was looking at the real part of the complex versions, but it's necesary to look at the complete complex version to understand them.

      Note that the graphic in Wikipedia is showing the real versions. In the real versions you for l=1 the functions in directions x, y and z[m=0], and all of them look identical except for the direction. But in the complex versions you have (x+iy)/sqrt(2)[m=1], (x-iy)/sqrt(2)[m=-1] and z[m=0], and when you show only the real part of them the first two are smaller.

    • dtgriscom a day ago

      ... or a slider to control the rotation position or speed.

setopt 18 hours ago

See also the “cubic harmonics”, which is an equivalent basis to spherical harmonics but they are real instead of complex, and also more natural to use in cubic crystals due to their symmetries.

I have also seen “triangular harmonics”, “zonal harmonics”, etc. in use in other materials.

lizmutton a day ago

Neat!! thanks for sharing

liontwist a day ago

why does the page scroll when I drag a slider?

  • raffihotter a day ago

    fixed! sorry about that, and thanks for the feedback

    • liontwist a day ago

      Thanks for sharing and making a fix.